VOICEOVER
Welcome to Melbourne University Up Close, a fortnightly
podcast of research, personalities, and cultural offerings of the
University of Melbourne, Australia. Up Close is available on the web at
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SIAN PRIOR
Hello and welcome to Up Close coming to you from
Melbourne University, Australia, I!|m Sian Prior. Here in Australia,
there has been a wave of recent media interest in the use of the
illegal drug, crystal methamphetamine, or !¢FDice!| as it is commonly
called. Some have even described it as an epidemic. And Australia is
not alone in this. There has also been growing public anxiety about the
effects of the drug on users and the communities in the UK, the USA and
parts of Asia. In the USA, the most significant federal policy response
has been the !¢FDCombat Meth Act!|, signed into effect by President Bush,
back in March, 2006. Here in Australia, there have been coordinated
national initiatives, to reduce the availability of precursor chemicals
used in the manufacture of crystal methamphetamine. According to the
Australian National Council on Drugs, almost one in ten Australians
have used methamphetamine at least once. And, there are currently over
70,000 regular users; almost double the number of regular heroin users.
So, are we really in the grip of an ice epidemic, or has the problem
been overstated? Well, to answer this question and to fill us in on the
latest research into the use of ice in the Australian community, we are
joined today by Associate Professor John Fitzgerald, Principal Research
Fellow at the School of Population Health, here at the University of
Melbourne, Australia. And, Dr. Frances Bramwell, a medical clinician
with many years of experience working in public health with drug users.
Dr. Bramwell is also doing post-graduate research here at Melbourne
University. Welcome both of you, to Melbourne University Up Close.
JOHN FITZGERALD
Hi Sian.
FRAN BRAMWELL
Thanks Sian.
SIAN PRIOR
Now, John, if we can start with the absolute basics,
what is ice and how does it differ from other illegal drugs and in
particular other forms of amphetamines?
JOHN FITZGERALD
Ice is methamphetamine. It is a chemical. It acts
on the brain. It also acts on other parts of the body; directly on
blood vessels and on the heart. It is generally called a stimulant. It
stimulates the release of neuro-transmitters. And it generally, in
terms of its acute effects, effects that happen straight away, it
increases alertness. It increases the capacity for work. It increases
your heart rate and it can also create a sense of euphoria, as well.
SIAN PRIOR
And Fran, what effect does ice have on users and how do those effects differ from, say, other illicit drugs such as heroin?
FRAN BRAMWELL
Well, that will depend on the frequency, obviously.
And the amount that is used. And, the spacing of that use. So, the more
severe, adverse consequences of regular heavy use of, really, any
psycho-stimulant relate to things like nutrition, the indirect effects
of perhaps injecting, such as blood born viruses But the main concern,
is really, in terms of the mental health effects. And, certainly heavy
regular use of methamphetamine can have a very deleterious effect on
your mental health and the main concern is that it can cause a
psychosis-like reaction. So, that can have effects, obviously on
themselves and also on those around them.
SIAN PRIOR
And this psychotic behaviour that you describe, is it
just in the instant, or are there long term effects on the mental
health, that we are starting to see?
FRAN BRAMWELL
Yeah, the long term effects, you need to
distinguish between things like psychosis, but fortunately, that is not
as common as you might think, and I guess, the more important things
for me, are, I guess, are secondary depression and anxiety.
SIAN PRIOR
And, presumably there are consequent effects on family, friends, workmates, of people who are regular users of ice.
FRAN BRAMWELL
Yeah, I think, ice, if you put aside perhaps, the
relatively severe violent episodes, what you are talking about are the
effects on family and friends of any addiction.
SIAN PRIOR
So, there are no particular differences between the effects on family and friends of regular ice use to say regular heroin use?
FRAN BRAMWELL
There obviously are some differences. Because a
person who uses heroin quite functional, while they can continue to get
that supply of the opiate, they can actually function okay for a
period, until the addiction gets so severe that there whole life is
actually revolving around that. Whereas, with amphetamine or any
stimulant use, it may be cognitively more difficult to function.
JOHN FITZGERALD
I think the experience, in a number of places
around the world, is that people, who use methamphetamine, generally
will be using other substances at the same time. And certainly in
Australia, what we saw from 2001, was when we previously had a glut in
heroin in Australia, which was actually seen in a number of countries
around the world, but in 2001, the glut, the supply was reduced and
what we saw was a large number of heroin users who actually took up the
use of methamphetamines.
SIAN PRIOR
As a cheaper alternative, presumably.
JOHN FITZGERALD
As a replacement. And generally what we see now
also, is this movement between substances, amongst a relatively stable
population of people. Either people who are disadvantaged or homeless
or in some way struggling with the pressures of the world, that they
will use a range of substances depending on their availability. And I
think that this is one of the issues with methamphetamine around the
world that we are struggling with, is that we tend to see it as a new
drug, a new epidemic, but essentially, often it is the same population
of people.
SIAN PRIOR
John, could you put the ice issue in an international
context for us? How does Australia compare with the USA in terms of
numbers of users, and with Asian countries where it is popular? You!|ve
recently had information about its use in Myanmar, for example.
JOHN FITZGERALD
One of the main production centers for ice and
methamphetamines for South East Asia is Myanmar and noticed that the
production actually increased around 1998-1999 and peaked 2001 to 2002.
What we are noticing in the intelligence reports at the moment, is that
the local price of ice and methamphetamines locally in Myanmar is
actually going up which is an indicator that availability and
production might not be as extensive as it was in the past. So what
that would signal to us in Australia and to other parts of South East
Asia, is perhaps we have seen the peak of production of ice and that
production might be in a much more stable level.
SIAN PRIOR
So, that is production, what about use? How does
Australia compare, for example, with the USA, in terms of numbers of
users and in particular regular users of crystal meth?
JOHN FITZGERALD
I think this is the critical thing about how we
appreciate the methamphetamine crisis around the world. One of the
aspects and key characteristics of methamphetamine use is that it tends
to be patchy. The population surveys of methamphetamine use, if you
look at high school student surveys in the United States in 2005-2006,
it showed over a time series of about four or five years that
methamphetamine use was very stable and actually wasn!|t going up. But
what we were aware of was small-scale studies, small reports that
showed in very specific locations that methamphetamine use did go up in
certain places. Places like Montana, in Oregon, that they did have
large increases in very, very small pockets of users. In Australia,
what we have seen is a peak in use, which peaked around 2001-2003.
Certainly in terms of population estimates, we know that in 1998, there
were 3.7% of the Australian population, based on National Survey data,
were regular users of methamphetamines. Now, in 2004, that has actually
gone down. In terms of the number of people that have actually died
from a methamphetamine related incident, in 2001, nationally, there
were 90 deaths in Australia and in 2005 that had gone down to 60. So,
what we are seeing in Australia in the last two years is again, this
patchy experience, where we know that in Sydney, in New South Wales,
that they report increased arrests of people producing
methamphetamines. We also know that admissions to emergency departments
and pysch institutions for methamphetamine related problems increased
in New South Wales. But we are not seeing those changes in different
parts of Australia. And certainly, at a national level, all the
population data suggests that, in terms of mortality and morbidity,
that the methamphetamine so-called epidemic, has not really happened.
SIAN PRIOR
My guests today in Melbourne University Up Close are Associate Professor John Fitzgerald and Dr. Fances Bramwell.
So, John, essentially what you are saying is that, in Australia there is no epidemic of ice use.
JOHN FITZGERALD
Yeah, and it is not to say that ice use is not
problematic. We know that there is a proportion of drug users who get
into trouble, that actually do become violent at different points in
their drug use. And actually, the spectrum of violence and problems
associated with ice use is different to that which is associated with
other illegal drugs. That is not at issue. What is at issue is whether
the extent of use and the extent of problems that are being experienced
has changed over time. And certainly most of the indicators would
suggest that we are not in the midst of an ice epidemic in Australia.
The pressures, as to actually why we think we are, are things we really
should talk about. We should talk about it with people like Fran, who
are at the coalface, and the people who are actually looking at
population data. We should actually be talking about it with people who
are in the media, about how readily we accept the notion that there is
a new drug epidemic on the basis of very little information and very
little evidence. I suppose, this is a great opportunity to actually
talk about the role of evidence-based approaches, population based
approaches, to actually dealing with some of these problems.
SIAN PRIOR
Well, you mentioned people working at the coalface,
such as Fran, we have also spoken recently to a doctor, who works in a
clinic in Broadmeadows, which is an economically depressed
outer-suburb, of Melbourne, Australia, Dr. Chris Towie is his name. We
might just have a quick listen to what Chris has to say about his
experiences.
CHRIS TOWEY
Between the alcoholics, the heroin addicts, and the
ice users, we have incidents here most days. Probably twice a week,
they!|d be violent. Mostly, they!|re verbal. Ice users are not the
majority. The majority of problem people are alcoholics. But the
severity of the violence with the ice users is the issue. Probably, at
the moment, once every three months I get physically assaulted and have
to take fairly drastic measures to defend myself. But I!|m a fairly big
fellow and I can deal with it. It really troubles me, what happens to
other doctors who are less burly and self-confident. The level of
violence is so terrifying. The worst attack I had, I really thought I
was going to get killed. I was absolutely ready to die. And that was
just in the waiting room, in the clinic. I shouldn!|t be feeling like
that. And so, it takes on more importance than the alcoholics, who are
rarely violent to that degree. But these people are on adrenalin rush !V
it!|s an adrenalin rush on steroids, if you like !V they!|re really
'suped' up and they don!|t stop.
SIAN PRIOR
That!|s Dr. Chris Towie, a medical doctor, who has had
some experience of dealing with drug users, including crystal
methamphetamine or ice users in his clinic in Broadmeadows, an
economically depressed suburb of Melbourne, Australia. Fran Bramwell,
you also work, as a medical doctor, dealing with drug users, do Chris!|s
experiences match yours?
FRAN BRAMWELL
Well, fortunately I can say I haven!|t experienced
something like that and I hope that I don!|t. And I think it is really
unfortunate when incidences like that happen. We don!|t have enough
general practitioners working with drug users. And quite often, these
isolated but quite serious incidences do add to GPs!| reluctance to
engage with this group of people.
SIAN PRIOR
Well, John mentioned the issue of violence and this is
certainly one of the reported effects of regular ice use and one of the
things that the media in particular has focused on, that people who
regularly use ice, exhibit unusually violent behaviour compared to
other drug users. Is this one of the main problems with ice?
JOHN FITZGERALD
Well, the difficulty at the moment, there is a
relationship between how we perceive a problem and the intensity of the
problem. Because there has been such extensive media coverage of this
purported relationship between violence and ice use, what we get now
when we talk to service providers, is a reproduction of the messages
that the media are portraying. So, when someone walks into the service
and they might be agitated or violent, very quickly the service
provider says, !!!OOh, they must be on ice.!!L And so, you get this
reproduction of the message that is actually communicated in the media,
rather than one that is based on evidence and based on good clinical
practice. We weren!|t receiving news amongst the service providers of
high levels of violence related to methamphetamine use five years ago,
when the peak of methamphetamine use was occurring in Australia. We are
seeing that now.
SIAN PRIOR
How is that measured? How is it reported? Is it numbers of police attendances, ambulance attendances?
JOHN FITZGERALD
One of the key indicators, that we have in terms
of the contribution of stories about ice to the media, are police. We
know, absolutely, that the intensity of police operations relating to
methamphetamine use has increased dramatically over the last five
years. For instance, in 1998, there were 14,000 heroin related arrests
in Australia. In 2004, that 14,000 heroin-related arrests, had actually
dropped down to 4,000. We also know that in terms of amphetamine
related arrests, it actually increased over the same period from about
4,000 to about 10,000.
SIAN PRIOR
But, John, to an outsider, that would sound like evidence that there is a growing problem, an epidemic?
JOHN FITZGERALD
Absolutely, and the problem with that is the
assumption that police arrests reflect the natural changes in the drug
market. What we do know concretely is that drug arrests are what they
call !¢FDdiscovery crimes!|. They!|re not naturally reported each time a
drug crime occurs. Drug arrests, are actually a measure of how intense
the policing is. It is a discovery crime. So when police stop policing
heroin, they actually police amphetamines more. And so that increase in
amphetamines arrests is actually more as a result of increased
policing, not an increase in amphetamine use.
SIAN PRIOR
And is that increase in policing of amphetamine use, a
direct result of particular policy initiatives or government responses
to this problem?
JOHN FITZGERALD
No, it is probably what they!|d call !¢FDa
displacement!|. It is called a !¢FDcategory displacement!|. If you are
arresting people related to heroin use, and heroin use actually goes
down, then the policing activity still needs to occur and so they
displace their activity to amphetamine use. And so what you see, is
actually a displacement of people and resources to start concentrating
on amphetamine users and that is why we saw an increase in amphetamine
related over this time period.
SIAN PRIOR
Well, Fran Bramwell, you mentioned a little earlier,
that one of the things you!|d like to see in response to the issue of
ice use is more support for GPs. What kinds of useful responses have we
seen from policy makers, from government, from public health
authorities here in Australia in the last few years that are actually
having an impact?
FRAN BRAMWELL
I don!|t know that the impact has actually been
assessed. But there certainly have been some genuine attempts at
several different levels. Predominantly around increasing general
practitioners!| awareness of the problem with amphetamine use. There was
the development of national guidelines for general practice management,
and personally I found those very clear and presented in a very
reasonable and in a harm reduction framework which I think, is very
important.
SIAN PRIOR
And can you give us just a couple of quick examples of
what is contained within those, that really helps doctors at the
coalface?
FRAN BRAMWELL
Okay, and this, in some respects relates back to
the general practioner!|s experience, and it would be important for GPs
to actually have some awareness of how to detect someone who might be
in some sort of crisis related to amphetamine use. So, for instance, it
lists things like, !¢FDthe following signs might indicate the patient has
recently used psycho-stimulants, or is moderately to severely
intoxicated: clenched jaw, restlessness, agitation, rapid speech, etc,
etc!|. And then, just general markers of chronic amphetamine use: poor
nutrition, sores. We!|ve all become very, very aware of people that may
be need to be seen quicker, and not made to wait an hour because they
do so seem to be very agitated. And so, if we do think that someone is
really agitated, we would never take that person into a room by
ourselves, and we would certainly never take them into a room without a
personal alarm on.
JOHN FITZGERALD
One of the really interesting things that Fran!|s
service provides and one that is actually being modeled in different
parts of the world, is the notion that we have a holistic approach to
the drug user. That it is not just a substance-specific approach. That
we actually create a support network around the clinician. That
involves people who are doing outreach services, who can talk about
what is going on in the street environment where people are purchasing
the drugs that have a relationship with the police. Certainly that kind
of support network, can actually be provided to clinicians that can
actually give them the information to allow them to assess the client
in a much more holistic way.
SIAN PRIOR
My guests today, in Melbourne University Up Close are Associate Professor John Fitz and Dr. Fances Bramwell.
John,
I wanted to ask you also about the production of crystal meth because
this term !¢FDhome labs!| keeps coming up. Which creates an image in your
mind that there is a whole bunch of people out there in their sheds
making their own supply of this drug. Is that the case and what is
being done about reducing the supply of materials that you need in
order to make this drug?
JOHN FITZGERALD
There has been some really important legislation
passed in Australia which has actually been replicated in the United
States and in parts of South East Asia, which is called precursor
Legislation. The precursors which are used to make methamphetamine have
been pretty readily available from a range of sources. And it is
actually reducing access to those by creating a licensing system for
people who might be using them for a range of industrial or chemical
purposes. The kind of volume of precursors that are needed to produce
the volumes that methamphetamines that are required to sustain the
population of drug users is quite extraordinary. And not a volume that
can be sustained through retail sales of cold tablets, which
essentially contain pseudoephedrine which is a precursor. We have had a
lot of focus on reducing access to pseudoephedrine across pharmacies
and chemists. That is not the main source of precursors. It is a 14:1
conversion of pseudoephedrine. So, 14 kilograms of pseudoephedrine are
needed to produce one kilo of methamphetamine.
SIAN PRIOR
Industrial quantities.
JOHN FITZGERALD
That!|s right. So, we are actually talking about
restricting industrial quantities, rather than retail quantities. And
so, in terms of ... internationally, when we are talking about
reduction of access to precursors, it!|s actually about access at an
industrial level, rather than through a retail level. The other parts
of the American response, as part of the Combat Meth Act were probably
a good indication of where policy could have been informed by data and
by practice, a little bit more effectively. So, for instance, one of
the strategies, which is being used in Australia, North America, in
Europe and in the UK, is the use of diversion strategies, where, if
somebody is caught or arrested for a drug offence, instead of sending
them to prison, they actually divert them away from prison and into
drug treatment. It is seen to be very cost effective and produces
better outcomes in the long term.
SIAN PRIOR
It is a medical approach, rather than a legalistic approach.
JOHN FITZGERALD
Absolutely. But part of the Combat Meth Act was
to actually reduce the availability of diversion strategies
specifically for methamphetamine users. So, it was actually because of
this perception that methamphetamine was a far more pernicious and far
more damaging substance that they actually reduced the capacity for
methamphetamine users when they were arrested to actually get access to
diversion. And the rationale for that was that they believed that
methamphetamine users were less amenable to treatment !V which is
actually not borne out in the evidence.
SIAN PRIOR
Fran, what!|s your experience of that?
FRAN BRAMWELL
Well, I guess the distinguishing thing is that
there is no current pharmoco-therapeutic agent that one can use to
assist drug rehabilitation for a chronic amphetamine user.
SIAN PRIOR
In contrast to heroin use, where!Kmethadone is the most commonly!K
FRAN BRAMWELL
Well, now in Australia we have three options of
pharmoco-therapy agents. There!|s methadone, which has been around for
decades, bupamorphine and more recently a combination of bupamorphine
with naltraxone. But that is not to say that there aren!|t other
approaches that couldn!|t be used with stimulant users. And there is
quite good evidence that even two to four sessions of cognitive
behaviour therapy can have quite a dramatic impact.
SIAN PRIOR
So a psychological approach rather than a pharmacological approach?
FRAN BRAMWELL
Yes.
SIAN PRIOR
So, John, from your perspective what are the key
policy responses that we need from our legislators, our public health
authorities in order to effectively deal with the problems caused by
the regular use of crystal meth?
JOHN FITZGERALD
I think Fran has covered some of it already. But
I think there are some really concrete things that we can do. In terms
of direct service providers, people who are at the coalface, who need
to deal with this issue, we need to take seriously their experiences of
fear and their experiences of violence. We can!|t just turn around say,
!!!OLook, at a population level it!|s not happening, so we just ignore it.!!L
I think we do need to take that on and actually skill people up in
issues of conflict resolution, skilling clinicians up in how to deal
with agitated clients, whether they!|re alcohol users, methamphetamine
users or people engaged in domestic violence. We need to have proper
assessment procedures, like where people are given time. Time in
observation, so that idea that in a service, we actually create an
environment where a person can be observed. And to give them time to
actually engage with the service in a much more equitable way, rather
than being given a number and being told to sit down and wait.
SIAN PRIOR
And Fran Branwell, what about the drug users themselves? Presumably these are the people who can tell us what would help them.
FRAN BRAMWELL
Well, I think we!|ve got very good examples from
previous harm reduction success stories in Australia whereby drug users
have been intimately involved in, for instance, reducing the risk of
HIV transmission amongst drug users, such that we!|ve got an incredibly
low rate, compared to other countries like the USA. And that has
largely been due to the needle and syringe exchange programme. In any
response to concerns about methamphetamine use, it is vitally important
to engage the people that are actually affected. So the drug users
themselves, in terms of thrashing out the problems, coming up with some
designs for research, trialling interventions. Basically involving them
as much as possible. Because we can come up with some fantastic ideas,
but they really won!|t work unless they!|re acceptable to the group.
SIAN PRIOR
Well, many thanks to both of you for joining us here
today. I!|m Sian Prior and my guests have been Associate Professor John
Fitzgerald, Principal Research Fellow at the School of Population
Health, here at the University of Melbourne, Australia. And, Dr.
Francis Bramwell, a medical clinician with many years of experience,
working in public health in particular with drug users. Fran is also
doing postgraduate research here at Melbourne University. We also heard
today from Dr. Chris Towie, a medical doctor who works in the outer
Melbourne suburb of Broadmeadows.
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